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Post by krusty ketchup on Dec 5, 2005 13:48:52 GMT
I think they should get rid of...(hangs head in shame and waits for huge beatings she will recieve after saying this)...Thelma
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Post by Wight witch on Dec 5, 2005 13:50:27 GMT
*Finds bat for the Cancelators & hits hand in a threatening manner* You cannot do that it's just wrong!!!
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Post by krusty ketchup on Dec 5, 2005 13:51:11 GMT
I can and I will. hahahahahahaha and you cant touch me nananananana
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Post by Lurker on Dec 7, 2005 0:29:43 GMT
I love Medenham & having the school put there...but I am happy that they're branching out. Hang on, let me rephrase that, I didn't mean to say that I didn't like Medenham, actually I think it brings a sort of surreal quality to the programme (like its a little world of its own... somewhere off the M4! ) Now I think about it my only teeny tiny niggle was with the characters still attending lessons etc. no beef with Medenham at all. Ah I feel better now that I've gone and disagreed with myself! Tsk, tsk! You can't go around suggesting things like that! People might hear you Thelma is too good to get rid of.
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Post by krusty ketchup on Dec 7, 2005 8:40:25 GMT
I think they should get rid of...(hangs head in shame and waits for huge beatings she will receive after saying this)...Thelma Tsk, tsk! You can't go around suggesting things like that! People might hear you Thelma is too good to get rid of. Yeah I know but its just getting so tedious with her doing all Malachi's bidding and stuff. And she's not exactly a main character anymore. More of a sidekick. Its like there's SuperElla, Leonific and Thelma the latch-on. Its annoying me at the mo!
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Post by Kneetroll on Dec 7, 2005 9:01:28 GMT
Her acting has been reduced, but only when you compare it so series one; all there was really was Cassie, Thelma and Azazeal with one or two extras milling about in the background - now there are more main characters room had to be made, it wouldn't have worked otherwise!
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Post by krusty ketchup on Dec 7, 2005 9:08:44 GMT
Yeah but why our beloved Thelma? She had all the best one liners!
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Post by DdWho on Dec 7, 2005 14:59:12 GMT
Season Three (if it happens) should focus on Thelma, Leon and Roxanne with a bigger role for Tyrell. Malachi, Tom and Alex should stay, as they have potential, but I think Ella is pretty burnt out as a character.
She's been the focus of most of this years activity and it's already repetitive.
No, the trio of Leon, Roxanne and Thelma are the real stars.
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Post by thelephant on Dec 7, 2005 19:20:42 GMT
I completely agree with you about Ella.
If Christina Cole hadn't left the show, then Cassie, Ella and Thelma could have formed a triumvirate. Ella could have taught Cassie about her history and how to use her powers, and each of them could have brought something new to the mix; Cassie as a Medenham witch, Ella as an Annointed One and Thelma as a ghost. They could have spent the first three episodes trying to get the baby back, and then once they had failed in that and Azazeal had taken Malachi away to mature, they could have fought Jez and some other Nephelim, before dealing with grown up Malachi. The Cassie/ Azazeal angst could have continued, the Ella/ Malachi angst would have been more disturbing, and Thelma and Cassie's friendship would have grown and changed once Thelma had someone else to interact with. The first two episodes had such promise. Cassie and Thelma were much stronger characters, and the two of them had a nice, tense relationship with Ella.
As it is, Cassie's death has fundamentally damaged the show because it's removed the original focus of the show. Since her death the season has foundered; it's been like if Sarah Michelle Gellar left Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Dawn took over. The writers have tried to hard to make Ella replace Cassie, making her a witch, giving her similar powers, having the forbidden relationship with the devil. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ella becomes pregnant with Malachi's child and the whole cycle repeats itself.
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Post by krusty ketchup on Dec 7, 2005 19:26:04 GMT
I definately think that Cassie's powers were wasted. They could have used more of them but hey all's fair in love and hex!
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Post by Lurker on Dec 9, 2005 0:08:06 GMT
Yeah but why our beloved Thelma? She had all the best one liners! So true Apart from having to share screen time with more characters I guess there's also the idea that Thelma and Cassie went hand in hand, she was pretty much part of Cassie's life and world and now that's she's gone, the writers are struggling to keep Thelma involved with the main plot lines. Just a theory... Personally I thought it was funny just having her hang around munching on pork scratchings or whatever was left in the vending machine!
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Post by Jimjamz on Dec 9, 2005 22:08:38 GMT
I completely agree with you about Ella. If Christina Cole hadn't left the show, then Cassie, Ella and Thelma could have formed a triumvirate. Ella could have taught Cassie about her history and how to use her powers, and each of them could have brought something new to the mix; Cassie as a Medenham witch, Ella as an Annointed One and Thelma as a ghost. They could have spent the first three episodes trying to get the baby back, and then once they had failed in that and Azazeal had taken Malachi away to mature, they could have fought Jez and some other Nephelim, before dealing with grown up Malachi. The Cassie/ Azazeal angst could have continued, the Ella/ Malachi angst would have been more disturbing, and Thelma and Cassie's friendship would have grown and changed once Thelma had someone else to interact with. The first two episodes had such promise. Cassie and Thelma were much stronger characters, and the two of them had a nice, tense relationship with Ella. As it is, Cassie's death has fundamentally damaged the show because it's removed the original focus of the show. Since her death the season has foundered; it's been like if Sarah Michelle Gellar left Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Dawn took over. The writers have tried to hard to make Ella replace Cassie, making her a witch, giving her similar powers, having the forbidden relationship with the devil. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ella becomes pregnant with Malachi's child and the whole cycle repeats itself. I completely agree! A lot of people seem to think that Ella has only improved the show. I dont mind Ella, but I think that Cassie was more interesting. We all know that she may struggle but in the long run, Ella is going to do her job. With Cassie, you never knew what was going to happen. Would she give in or fight? Also, the McBain back storey is a lot more interesting than Ella's, MO. Theres so many things that you could do with it to span out into other series. We get the gist of Ella now: Shes spent the past 500 years stopping Az from getting a son. She's got in a few tight spots but shes always managed to get out with it. We know everything about her, and theres absolutely nothing I can think of her doing in series 3. How many more times does she have to go mad/get burnt/tortured/spotty? The list goes on. I would've preferred it if they'd brought Cassie's long lost brother in or something, then the McBain thing could've kept going.
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Post by DreamDangerously on Dec 9, 2005 23:06:50 GMT
I agree with you Jaime in that the McBain mythology has remained a great untapped source of stories. Even actually the potential to explore Ella's back story has been missed somewhat, all the different periods she's lived through, her mysterious reference way back for being delayed in reaching Medenham in time and that lover who she fell for who "ensnared" her (which by the by suggests that Malachi is not the first time shes been duped, despite her moral high ground with Cassie.)
Even the Order of Oraciah hasn't really been used in ways that it could have done, for example I liked that she used her magic "kit" and the Hexagram way back proving that she wasn't all powerful.
I do feel that the over-riding problem is that the show has ended up getting hung up on the teen Malachi/Ella romance and not used the supernatural element as much and deffinately not in the kind of victorian gothic-y way that it could have done.
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Post by Fassbender Fan on Dec 10, 2005 9:29:49 GMT
Definately!
They started to explore it in the beginning of the series but it seemes as soon as Malachi hit adulthood and Azazeal disappeared it's been "Ella & Malachi what will happen next?"
There's no consistency it seems. Characters disappear without any warning, storylines change at the blink of an eye, certain areas/storylines aren't addressed when they should be and it all adds up to Hex becoming something very un-Hex-like. I think they're desperately trying to make it more stylish and more appealing to over seas audiences in order to be picked up for a third series but in doing so they're annoying/losing fans from the first.
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Post by thelephant on Dec 10, 2005 18:49:18 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, the show that I loved ended at episode two of this season. Since then, it's been completely different, and I'm not at all sure I'd even bother with season three, if there is one.
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