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Post by fenris on Dec 10, 2005 19:46:05 GMT
I think the second series was going great until it reached the storyline of Ella being attracted to Malachi. Then the show fell into a slump from which it's only just recovering, barely in time for the series finale.
You can see what the writers were trying to do with that storyline, and it briefly seemed that they might pull it off, but ultimately it failed. The determined, take-charge Ella of the first three episodes bore little relation to the Ella who dithered over whether to kill the one person she'd waited 446 years to dispatch.
As discussed in other threads, it soon became clear that the writers were just coming up with excuses to delay having Ella whack Malachi until the final episode of the series.
I think it would have been better if the writers had borrowed a trick from the old cliffhanger serials of the 1930s and 40s. Often in those serials, the main villain's identity would be hidden: he/she would either wear a mask or disguise, or appear as a shadowy figure who only communicated with assorted henchmen via radio. During the course of the serial, the hero would alternate between foiling the villain's schemes, and trying to work out who the villain actually was. The bad guy would finally be unmasked and killed in the last episode. I think that instead of the 'Ella loves Malachi' storyline, Hex should have done the following: three new male students join Medenham within 2 - 3 days. Strange events start to occur around the school, and Ella recognises them as signs that Malachi has arrived. But which of the new arrivals is he? Several episodes could have been spent with Thelma, Ella and Leon spying on the new guys, while the writers filled the script with red herrings, false clues, misleading trails, etc. Ella could still have been mildly attracted to one of the suspects - but did that make him more or less likely to be Malachi? Eventually, having fingered one of the new students as Malachi, Ella could have killed him - only for one of the others to then reveal himself as the genuine article. Ella would then have to battle him, while riddled with guilt over having killed an innocent.
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Post by DreamDangerously on Dec 10, 2005 20:38:57 GMT
now see, that sounds far more exiting...you could even still throw Raphael and Mephistopheles into the mix in that storyline and not know who they were each working for or have one of the new boys be an agent of the more heavenly forces.
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Post by Azazeal Lover on Dec 10, 2005 21:38:23 GMT
I think the second series was going great until it reached the storyline of Ella being attracted to Malachi. Then the show fell into a slump from which it's only just recovering, barely in time for the series finale. I think that instead of the 'Ella loves Malachi' storyline, Hex should have done the following: three new male students join Medenham within 2 - 3 days. Strange events start to occur around the school, and Ella recognises them as signs that Malachi has arrived. But which of the new arrivals is he? Several episodes could have been spent with Thelma, Ella and Leon spying on the new guys, while the writers filled the script with red herrings, false clues, misleading trails, etc. Ella could still have been mildly attracted to one of the suspects - but did that make him more or less likely to be Malachi? Eventually, having fingered one of the new students as Malachi, Ella could have killed him - only for one of the others to then reveal himself as the genuine article. Ella would then have to battle him, while riddled with guilt over having killed an innocent. I think that would have of been a far better story line... hex as lost some of the story for what i started watching it for in the first place, like the story of the Mcbains family. we didn't even find anything more out about Cassie dad or anything this series. i thought we would got to hear abit more about him. Anyway lets hope season 2 gones out with a bang.
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Post by Fassbender Fan on Dec 11, 2005 10:17:01 GMT
Hear that Brian?? Let us write your show for ya
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Post by DreamDangerously on Dec 11, 2005 12:00:37 GMT
LOL!
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Post by thelephant on Dec 11, 2005 16:30:51 GMT
That's a great idea - except for the part where Ella would feel guilty about killing an innocent. She's killed hundred of people and shows no remorse for it. Why would she feel remorse over one more?
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Post by matt on Dec 11, 2005 16:43:48 GMT
My theory on how Hex's second season could end. (Or if I was writing)
Leon's under the thrall (thanks DD) of Malachai and for some reason Tyrell and Roxanne aren't. The first order of business is to try and get Leon back - and they do (the mark went off Maya didn't it?) and the foursome begin to try and attack Malachai on two fronts.
One team goes to try and disable the Succubi to weaken Malachai and the others try to find a way to get Malachai's aging back on track.
So episode thriteen sees Malchai's suddenly stunt in aging back on track and he's now 70 or something. Weakening him and Ella can do the deed. The Neph's are gone as is Thelma.
The end.
Someone claps. Tyrell appears and congratulates Ella for doing a good job - and then says that he'll begin cleansing the world to start again.
Ella asks what he mean - and Tyrell is God and says that after the Neph's he wants to start to clense the world of everything and start again.
So the villain in series three would be God.
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Post by Fassbender Fan on Dec 11, 2005 17:19:02 GMT
I like your theory. Tyrell's gotta have something to do with it all otherwise they've reduced the fantastic Colin Salmon to a bit part for absolutely nothing. It all rests on series 3 really, if they are making one and have planned their scripts ahead (unlikely) then either Ella or Malachi have to survive surely? I doubt it would be Ella because what significance does she hold if Malachi dies? My random theory on how it would all end: Ella and Leon merrily go around chopping Succubi heads off until they realize they're getting nowhere, someone steps in and solves the problem leaving Malachi weak and defenseless against Ella (unless he takes his top off then she's all his ) then Azazeal returns and sees Bratface is doing a rubbish job of killing Ella and therefore steps in to sort things out. Raphael tells Leon he can save Ella by sacrificing himself (or possibly Thelma) and the lil puppydog follows it through (byebye to another series one regular) Malachi gets all high and mighty thinking Daddy's solved all the problems then Ella turns up in that outfit and that coat and they end it on a cliffhanger
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Post by fenris on Dec 11, 2005 17:52:05 GMT
That's a great idea - except for the part where Ella would feel guilty about killing an innocent. She's killed hundred of people and shows no remorse for it. Why would she feel remorse over one more? Very true, but all the others she's killed she's been able to justify their deaths as being necessary to foil Azazeal's schemes - such as the young girl in the period opening sequence of episode #1. Alternatively, she's killed others who were - either knowingly or unwittingly - serving Azazeal, like the abortion doctor who saved Malachi. To our knowledge, the only innocent person Ella's killed was Cassie, and that was unintentional - it was Cassie's decision to intercept the knife. Therefore, I think if Ella killed someone, then subsequently discovered that person was unconnected to Azazeal and the Nephilim, she would feel guilt. Whether it would dampen her effectiveness as a demon-hunter is another question.
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Post by Wight witch on Dec 11, 2005 20:33:13 GMT
I think that instead of the 'Ella loves Malachi' storyline, Hex should have done the following: three new male students join Medenham within 2 - 3 days. Strange events start to occur around the school, and Ella recognises them as signs that Malachi has arrived. But which of the new arrivals is he? Several episodes could have been spent with Thelma, Ella and Leon spying on the new guys, while the writers filled the script with red herrings, false clues, misleading trails, etc. Ella could still have been mildly attracted to one of the suspects - but did that make him more or less likely to be Malachi? Eventually, having fingered one of the new students as Malachi, Ella could have killed him - only for one of the others to then reveal himself as the genuine article. Ella would then have to battle him, while riddled with guilt over having killed an innocent. # Wow that would have been so good...I also like thte Tyrell is God theory too!!!! He has to have a decent part to play!!!!!
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Post by Lurker on Dec 12, 2005 0:58:48 GMT
Yeah, liking that idea, much more mysterious.... Good one fenris That's a great idea - except for the part where Ella would feel guilty about killing an innocent. She's killed hundred of people and shows no remorse for it. Why would she feel remorse over one more? Very true, but all the others she's killed she's been able to justify their deaths as being necessary to foil Azazeal's schemes - such as the young girl in the period opening sequence of episode #1. Alternatively, she's killed others who were - either knowingly or unwittingly - serving Azazeal, like the abortion doctor who saved Malachi. To our knowledge, the only innocent person Ella's killed was Cassie, and that was unintentional - it was Cassie's decision to intercept the knife. I'm not so sure Ella would have considered Cassie an innocent as she was heavily involved with Azazeal, if she hadn't been 'delayed' Cassie would have been first on the hit list... probably. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ella seems all too quick to go around slashing people's throats, which fits in with what we're all saying here, its a missed opportunity to find other solutions (like the magic 'kit' hexagram in ep 2 for example). It's a shame the Hex writers open up these potential storylines (they were even doing it in Series 1) and then quickly smudge them over and forget about them. I think DD made this point best saying.... I was quite looking forward to seeing that played out, alas 'twas not to be
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Post by fenris on Dec 12, 2005 19:28:38 GMT
Ella's mysterious reference for being delayed in reaching Medenham in time, and that lover who she fell for who ensnared her (which by the by suggests that Malachi is not the first time shes been duped, despite her moral high ground with Cassie). Yeah, that was a wonderful piece of foreshadowing that seemingly got completely forgotten about by the writers. It made even more of a mockery of the 'Ella loves Malachi' plotlne. Surely if she's been burnt once (and recently too), Ella's not going to fall for the same trick twice?
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Post by doug on Dec 13, 2005 13:00:41 GMT
I think the McBain history and mythology would have been explored in more detail if Christina Cole had carried on in the role as Cassie for the entire season. However, because she departed there was no real reason to explore that anymore as the charatcer it was all related too was er....dead. BUT what about Cassie's mother?? Has she even been mentioned? Did anyone bother to tell her Cassie had gone missing? I think they should have brought her back for an episode or two where she turns up at Medenham ranting and raving over Azazeal having killed Cassie and betraying Lilith. That could then have alerted David Tyrel that something weird was going on leading into him not really trusting Jez and not wanting Ella sectioned. Its my opinion he didn't trust Jez's opinion and believed some of what Ella was saying.
I think if there is a third season then I don't think Ella will be the lead character for all of it. I think Ella will leave part way through and be replaced by another lead character but with Thlema, hopefully, still assisting them.
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Post by RedAngel x on Dec 13, 2005 15:18:03 GMT
All your ideal season closers sound awesome.But i agree that that many story lines have started and trailer off to nowt!I was thinking as well why did Cassie's body disappear when Ella stabbed her cause she didn't have the evil mark. an the lover that tempted Ella could have been Mephistopheles! he is big on risking everything for love!And something tells me those on the side of "good" seem to be highly dodgy (Raphael)
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Post by DreamDangerously on Dec 13, 2005 17:07:24 GMT
Cassie's body disappeared because she was stabbed with the knife of Oraciah and that banishes the victim body and soul, that way they can't be ressurected.
Hmm interesting theory on Mephistopheles....he was looking rather wistfully at Medenham when he helped Leon.
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